The Trivium Blow-by-blow of this exchange for illustrative purposes (imaging you are reading an account of a boxing match) ... nostr:npub1rtlqca8r6auyaw5n5h3l5422dm4sry5dzfee4696fqe8s6qgudks7djtfs makes a logical claim...followed by logical solution to that claim, followed by a closing argument that was opinion based. Well constructed...the claim is verifiable or falsafiable. The claim and the solution presented is the debate...GO... nostr:npub13hgvezq9gm04a9hqs3uzmv869tm3wk26ql2tf3q037j59zk76c7spvhjry starts with an apeal to emotion("hot garbage") countered with a logical claim to nostr:npub1rtlqca8r6auyaw5n5h3l5422dm4sry5dzfee4696fqe8s6qgudks7djtfs 's OPINION (red herring argument) that [parenthood] is "simply the best". by countering with a straw man argument with the statement "some people would be better off not [having children]. -. Then concludes with the counter argument to the first logical point with the agrument that the "world doesnt need more people". (the counter claim) @hodl makes a round-about ad hominem attack... nostr:npub13hgvezq9gm04a9hqs3uzmv869tm3wk26ql2tf3q037j59zk76c7spvhjry responds by pointing out the ad hominem attack and produces his own... @hodl responds by deflecting the previous ad hominem and produces a response to the original red herring ...the crowd goes wild!!!!! The only way to get better ideas, it through better discorse. Let all learn together.